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Post by Insane One on Feb 17, 2009 13:09:09 GMT -5
You are going to have to see how this pans out. You don't see the NAFL panicking. There's a lot of misguided people at the mid level management of the LCFL management and have no idea what they are doing.
Holding a concert isn't going to cut it. It's no different than a sponsor coming in for one year but seeing no value and not doing it again. The LCFL is already planning on spending money they don't have. They can't guarrantee anyone will show up for a concert. What if it rains? Planning something with money they don't have is 90% of the failure of most leagues. Statistically this should be no different.
Furthermore, the upper level management built the LCFL on excuses. They are doing it for the wrong reasons, too. It's about control. If you ever saw animal house, it's kind of like the scene where one of the Delta's took over as drum major and lead the band down the alley into a brick wall. The only thing the NAFL has to really do is sit back and watch. Remember the PFL? they did the same thing. The similarities of both leagues is the management is in their postion because of control issues. Not for the good of the game.
Here's a reality check. How can anyone take a league seriously that manipulates the championship game so the team from philly goes to championship game every year. I feel bad for the players. It's embarrassing to the city of Philly itself and most of the team owners in california had enough of it. The staff that controls the field where the Panthers play is embarrassed. They will not acknowledge the LCFL let alone the "championship".
The NAFL's mission is to be a self sustaining league where players can develop their skills and play for the love of the game. It's been in writing and the same since 1999. So far we've been true to that mission. Anyone trying to make the NAFL more than what it is will only ever be disapointed. That's not the NAFL's fault.
The NAFL is the first to: build a league with teams coast to coast Land an ESPN contract Play at Disney 4 years in a row Find a sponsor to pay for playoff travel Consistently, for ten years, run a league for more than the teams pay in dues. Get better top to bottom each year
There's alot to be said for leaders in so many different categories. What has the Labelle league done? So far, nothing and in how many years? They may be a one hit wonder, but the teams leaving the NAFL couldn't even pay their dues. We don't necessarily count that as a loss.[/
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Post by Coach Ray Clay on Feb 17, 2009 13:10:55 GMT -5
Hello Champions,
Well Shane, I don't know how to take this post, because in the near past you have made so many comments to the negative about the league, but on the NAFL message board you are pro LCFL? I have appreciated your comments.
Yes they are going to have to see how this pans out. Hope that they don't expect us to crash and burn too soon. Maybe because We did not pick up their option this year and decided to do our own thing. One thing is for sure they don't run the LCFL, and can barely run the NAFL. A whole lot of unnecessary effort is put into trying to destroy the LCFLs expansion efforts. Why would they make comments about things that they don't know. "Just because you say it doesn't make it so".
The NAFL Brags on things they have done. We applaud them on their accomplishments, and hope that they are able to keep doing what they do. The one thing that I am happy about is that the first one to the party is not the only one that can dance. There is no need to develop a new wheel, we just plan on polishing it alittle.
On holding our concert, we are utilizing our own resources (Ms Labelle) to promote what we do. This concert will benefit the WHOLE league, and not, as they say, our misguided mid level management. If we were so bad, why is it that many NAFL teams are calling us every day, and asking how to become a part. The LCFL existence is not to compete with the NAFL. We tried to put together something special with them, but they were focused in other areas, and projects, and did not address the needs of our organization.
On the issue of our concert, it is all ready SOLD OUT, and the Mayor of Birmingham Larry Langford has made it a City wide event for everyone. Their are even provisions to give a donation to a charity from part of the guaranteed proceeds. Unlike the NAFL, the LCFL developed a quality model of community service, that can be used in the future to generate funds to sustain ourself. The LCFL does not have to continually brag on how we are superior to anyone else. We just do what we do..US.
This why Mayors, and Governors from all over the country are calling our offices, and Conference Directors daily. How many calls did you receive from your own city this week? This is a very important time in the development of Minor league style football. We must find a way to raise the standard of this level while people are listening. Arena football is going through renovation, and in many of our locals there is no football. For us to keep this pissing contest alive is insane. To much energy is wasted. The LCFL has No hard feelings toward the NAFL, or any other organizations out there. We have a plan that we are striving to implement this year. We expect that you have a method to your madness. Let's all have a great year.
Go Football
Respect,
Ray
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Post by Insane One on Feb 17, 2009 13:12:43 GMT -5
Ray you see I do not like some of the politics of the the LCFL West but as you have seen my post on the NAFL MB I do speak highly of the LCFL as a whole. I think that the LCFL is getting back on the right track. "Ryan" from the Pensacola Lightning can tell you we have talked about whether I thought the LCFL South would be something good for them and I said yes they will be treated well by the LCFL.
As for my problems with the LCFL West they are purely politics that I do not like. I saw an E-mail earlier during the season where the NAFL supporter said they would not be able to give travel money do to a slow down in his Medical business but the players where not informed of this at the time and I felt that it was covered up. I also have some problems with some E-Mails that where sent by some of the Upper Echelon of the LCFL West that bad mouthed the SWFL and the commissioner to Dick Seuss a couple of years ago.
During the past few season I have seen talk of Player Symposiums, Player ID cards and Player reps but none of this has happened. I think that it should not be said on this board unless it is set to happen for sure.
Does the LCFL West put on good shows yes they do. Would I take a team to the LCFL yes I would. Would I be a vocal supporter of my players versus the that of the Owners yes I would.
Ray when you the LCFL West Assistant Commissioner come on the board and BLAST a team because they did not go to the LCFL symposium for what ever reason that is wrong.
I wish both the LCFL West and the UFA a good 2009.
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Post by Coach Ray Clay on Feb 17, 2009 13:14:13 GMT -5
Hello Shane,
It is very obvious that you, and many people missed my point when I addressed the Gunslinger situation. It was magnified beyond belief. Dont get me wrong, I have never had hard feelings against Mark, or anyone connected with the Gunslingers. My point was since I knew him personally, I extended myself to invite his organization to the symposium, knowing that he just probably thought he could just walk in unprepared. After he said that he would be "checking" everybody out, I felt that he needed to be prepared when he came to our meeting. He never responded either way, so it was perceived by me to indicate that his team was not interested, and then the comment was "I forgot"..Wow. The LCFL West Symposium was announced for almost 3 Months, So when it came up on the boards, I made probably one of my unnecessary comments, and then he made his, and the rest is history.This is America, and in this country people have the right to make there own choices. Best of luck to your organization. My attempts are never to disrespect anyone, but to further the cause of the players. That has been my only motivation for the last 30 years. I do understand that I have a great responsibility, but the "MEN" of our level need to stand up, and be men. As you truly know, the LCFL is under a microscope across the country, because we dare to challenge some of the more established organizations across the country. Unfortunate for them, that they don't know who they are dealing with. They really haven't seen anything yet. We are on a Mission!
The player symposium will take place this year. Though lack of planning, and other roadblocks, it did not happen last year, but it is planned for late March, or early April. 2009 will be a special year. Stay tuned, to see the outcome..Good Luck, and good fortune to all.
Respect,
Ray
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 23, 2009 23:34:21 GMT -5
Why did the only team east of the rockies, Panthers, get travel money to come to LA to play the SD Thunder but the Thunder never received a dime from the LCFL when they traveled to Atlanta rep'n the LCFL in the NAFL finals? Did the LCFL want the thunder to fail? so that they could leave the NAFL and blame them?
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Post by B. Love The Commissioner on Mar 24, 2009 12:24:16 GMT -5
Why did the only team east of the rockies, Panthers, get travel money to come to LA to play the SD Thunder but the Thunder never received a dime from the LCFL when they traveled to Atlanta rep'n the LCFL in the NAFL finals? Did the LCFL want the thunder to fail? so that they could leave the NAFL and blame them? The LCFL did give the Thunder the money that they told them they would. For winning the LCFL ship they got about 5.000. The NAFL did not pay what they said they would pay and that is why the LCFL left.
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Post by little Jimmy on Mar 24, 2009 20:48:52 GMT -5
Why did the only team east of the rockies, Panthers, get travel money to come to LA to play the SD Thunder but the Thunder never received a dime from the LCFL when they traveled to Atlanta rep'n the LCFL in the NAFL finals? Did the LCFL want the thunder to fail? so that they could leave the NAFL and blame them? The LCFL did give the Thunder the money that they told them they would. For winning the LCFL ship they got about 5.000. The NAFL did not pay what they said they would pay and that is why the LCFL left. ok I'll can give you that but really why did the LCFL leave? It didn't affect the any teams at all in the LCFL but the Thunder only. And where are the Thunder today? So technically the NAFL didn't do a thing to the LCFL. Also if the LCFL was so ethical and so great, then why wouldn't more area Socal teams join? Why is there a UFA forming? To me the LCFL don't seem to be very business smart leaving the NAFL without giving it a try and to top it off they spent lots of hard earned money flying out, and paying for lodging for a team from Philly and calling this game a National Championship when Philly was only one Eastern team and the West had 26. And to rub sand in their eyes this Philly Panthers team loaded up their roster with all kinds of guys. I read that they were asking around for All-Star players from various teams to pad up their team before playing San Diego. Where's the Roster Locks? Come to think about it, maybe its best they did leave the NAFL.
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Post by B. Love The Commissioner on Mar 25, 2009 13:12:07 GMT -5
The LCFL did give the Thunder the money that they told them they would. For winning the LCFL ship they got about 5.000. The NAFL did not pay what they said they would pay and that is why the LCFL left. ok I'll can give you that but really why did the LCFL leave? It didn't affect the any teams at all in the LCFL but the Thunder only. And where are the Thunder today? So technically the NAFL didn't do a thing to the LCFL. Also if the LCFL was so ethical and so great, then why wouldn't more area Socal teams join? Why is there a UFA forming? To me the LCFL don't seem to be very business smart leaving the NAFL without giving it a try and to top it off they spent lots of hard earned money flying out, and paying for lodging for a team from Philly and calling this game a National Championship when Philly was only one Eastern team and the West had 26. And to rub sand in their eyes this Philly Panthers team loaded up their roster with all kinds of guys. I read that they were asking around for All-Star players from various teams to pad up their team before playing San Diego. Where's the Roster Locks? Come to think about it, maybe its best they did leave the NAFL. From what i hear the Thunder had folded but just for the 2009 season. And the LCFL already had the 2009 schedule set. So they could not get back in the league @ this late date in March. So they went to the UFA....League and the UFA....League is made up of teams that were in the LCFL but could not win. All but two teams.And they have some teams in the UFA...League that are just starting back up after a few years.And they have some teams with bad reps that could not get into the LCFL. And the NAFL did not do what they told the LCFL that they would. And that is why they left the NAFL. So i hear.............HAHAHAHA......Lol And So Cal is big we have lots of room for two LEAGUES here.
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Post by Jimmy crack corn on Mar 25, 2009 14:56:55 GMT -5
So your saying the UFA is a league of LCFL losers and troubled teams with issues? You can't say that! That makes you guys look inferior to the LCFL.
Why not get on the right track and link up with the NAFL? Your UFA playoff winner would play a team in the NW in like Round 4. With the winner moving on to the NAFL final 4.
The LCFL can move on an do what they do. They had no intention of working with the NAFL by hanging their hat on one issue that zero of their teams were effected by. They proved who they are.
Also the San Diego Thunder weren't really part of the LCFL because they were the new kids on the block leaving another league. The LCFL has no excuse. They gave travel money to the Panters. Want LCFL teams did the Philly Panthers play during the LCFL regular season last year? That was a goofy LCFL National Championship money wasting game last season for sure. They could have given the money to San Diego and the Thunder would still be around today.
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Post by Real Shit on Mar 25, 2009 22:51:38 GMT -5
So your saying the UFA is a league of LCFL losers and troubled teams with issues? You can't say that! That makes you guys look inferior to the LCFL. Why not get on the right track and link up with the NAFL? Your UFA playoff winner would play a team in the NW in like Round 4. With the winner moving on to the NAFL final 4. The LCFL can move on an do what they do. They had no intention of working with the NAFL by hanging their hat on one issue that zero of their teams were effected by. They proved who they are. Also the San Diego Thunder weren't really part of the LCFL because they were the new kids on the block leaving another league. The LCFL has no excuse. They gave travel money to the Panters. Want LCFL teams did the Philly Panthers play during the LCFL regular season last year? That was a goofy LCFL National Championship money wasting game last season for sure. They could have given the money to San Diego and the Thunder would still be around today. Your right dude they could have stayed. But if you cannot trust a league the (NAFL) to do what they say they are going to do And i was @ the Championship last year and all of the teams had a meeting and was not happy bcuz the NAFL did not do their part.And the LCFL did not give travel money to the Panthers. The Owner of the League is the Owner of the Philly Panthers And Miss Patty Labelles Manager he has money to pay for his own team he did not need money from the LCFL.
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Post by Jimmy Wimmy on Mar 26, 2009 11:34:32 GMT -5
So don't you see something crooked here? The owner of the Philly Panthers is one of the rich owners of the LCFL and his team won without playing any LCFL teams.
Why is it a national championship game when there is just one team in the East playing the West champion. San Diego should have been crowned LCFL champion because it played in the playoffs and beat all LCFL playoff teams. This so called National Championship game with the Panthers was a bowl game.
If this so called owner of the LCFL cared about his own league he would have given money to San Diego. But no he instead brought HIS own team to California with a roster of ringer players. This stinks to high heaven to me.
The Labelle keeps hanging their hat on this playoff travel money thing of the NAFL, but the LCFL wasted much more money on a worthless championship game in LA.
You guys will figure this out. But then maybe you won't.
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Post by Boulder on Mar 26, 2009 14:23:14 GMT -5
So don't you see something crooked here? The owner of the Philly Panthers is one of the rich owners of the LCFL and his team won without playing any LCFL teams. Why is it a national championship game when there is just one team in the East playing the West champion. San Diego should have been crowned LCFL champion because it played in the playoffs and beat all LCFL playoff teams. This so called National Championship game with the Panthers was a bowl game. If this so called owner of the LCFL cared about his own league he would have given money to San Diego. But no he instead brought HIS own team to California with a roster of ringer players. This stinks to high heaven to me. The Labelle keeps hanging their hat on this playoff travel money thing of the NAFL, but the LCFL wasted much more money on a worthless championship game in LA. You guys will figure this out. But then maybe you won't. Did these high labelle team fees go to this panther guy?
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Post by Real Shit on Mar 26, 2009 14:35:09 GMT -5
So don't you see something crooked here? The owner of the Philly Panthers is one of the rich owners of the LCFL and his team won without playing any LCFL teams. Why is it a national championship game when there is just one team in the East playing the West champion. San Diego should have been crowned LCFL champion because it played in the playoffs and beat all LCFL playoff teams. This so called National Championship game with the Panthers was a bowl game. If this so called owner of the LCFL cared about his own league he would have given money to San Diego. But no he instead brought HIS own team to California with a roster of ringer players. This stinks to high heaven to me. The Labelle keeps hanging their hat on this playoff travel money thing of the NAFL, but the LCFL wasted much more money on a worthless championship game in LA. You guys will figure this out. But then maybe you won't. It was a bowl game. The Labelle Bowl the West Champion VS the East allstars. And he did pay for it a 20.000 buck dinner for both teams and hotel rooms for both teams. Bcuz this is his league. And he should not have to pay for a team to travel to the NAFL Championship game it's not his league.
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Post by Real Shit on Mar 26, 2009 14:40:06 GMT -5
So don't you see something crooked here? The owner of the Philly Panthers is one of the rich owners of the LCFL and his team won without playing any LCFL teams. Why is it a national championship game when there is just one team in the East playing the West champion. San Diego should have been crowned LCFL champion because it played in the playoffs and beat all LCFL playoff teams. This so called National Championship game with the Panthers was a bowl game. If this so called owner of the LCFL cared about his own league he would have given money to San Diego. But no he instead brought HIS own team to California with a roster of ringer players. This stinks to high heaven to me. The Labelle keeps hanging their hat on this playoff travel money thing of the NAFL, but the LCFL wasted much more money on a worthless championship game in LA. You guys will figure this out. But then maybe you won't. Did these high labelle team fees go to this panther guy? The LCFL League fee is a 1.000 bucks that is the same as the UFA.....L not alot of "MONEY" And if you cannot pay that you should not have a team.........Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Post by Actually on Mar 26, 2009 17:31:12 GMT -5
Did these high labelle team fees go to this panther guy? The LCFL League fee is a 1.000 bucks that is the same as the UFA.....L not alot of "MONEY" And if you cannot pay that you should not have a team.........Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Actually it cost 3 grand to join the LCFL and a grand a year for membership fees
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